Do I really mean it when I say to never turn down a full ride?

One of my earliest blog posts—and still one on the most popular—was “Don’t pass up a full ride.” You can probably tell the main idea from the title: you should not pass up a full ride. If you apply to a school and they offer you a full scholarship, go to that school.

Last week I got an email from a parent asking me if I still stand by that advice. His daughter won an honors scholarship—a full ride—at her state’s public flagship university, where she “didn’t know full rides existed until she was invited to interview.” She was also accepted to Washington University in St. Louis, a smaller private college with acceptance rates under 15%. And this is the problem, a problem I’ve heard before:

“Our heads say one thing and our hearts another, in part because the small school with huge endowment and beautiful campus is definitely appealing, but probably mostly seduced by this notion that an elite university is a sign of winning and will validate her hard work and make her feel as rewarded as her classmates who managed to get into some Ivies.”

My response was more sympathetic than you might expect.

“The short answer to your question is yes, I do think there are sometimes exceptions to my "never pass up a full ride" rule, and those exceptions are usually situations similar to yours. Though vague and unquantifiable, there is a value--in terms of professional networks, recruiting, social connections, and prestige--to the most elite colleges that can make them more valuable than the full ride at a safety. I would absolutely encourage a student to pass up a full ride elsewhere for Harvard, MIT, or Stanford if they could afford it. WashU probably fits into that category as well. No one can reasonably assume they'll be accepted at WashU, and she applied to her safety not knowing that a full ride was a possibility, so it can be reasonable to pass up the scholarship (which you weren't expecting) for the elite private college (which you weren't expecting to accept you). I would not think your daughter made a "bad" choice if she decides on WashU. 

It sounds like what it comes down to is an emotional decision--prestige, allure, falling in love--versus a rational one--major, money. Personally, I'm more of an emotional, intuitive person. Professionally, I work to be neutral. Either are valid, as long as she understands the choices.

If she were my client, I would make sure she's thinking through both options and communicating with her family. I'd tell her it's her own decision to make and that I would understand and support either decision. I would also really hope she takes the scholarship.”

So for me, the “prestige value” exception only applies to a tiny number of colleges: MIT, Harvard, and Stanford. While I’m very conservative in that list, I can see someone using the same logic for a longer number of schools, including WashU. The trick is that the list can’t be too long. You can’t stretch the vague, unquantifiable value so thin that you get yourself into a “the more prestigious school is aways worth more than a full ride the less prestigious school.” It’s just not true.

There are a few other exceptions to the “never turn down a full ride” advice.

Unsolicited scholarships. How do you respond if a school just, out of the blue, offers you a full scholarship even if you didn't apply or have never heard of it? Yes, this actually happens sometimes. Evaluate that school just as you would any other school, without taking into mind the price. If it meets your criteria and is a place you'd apply, then you're done. Congratulations! If the school doesn't make it into your top twenty and isn't a place you would want to apply, then you can comfortably say No Thanks. 

Financially troubled colleges. A full scholarship to a college may not be worth much if the college closes before you’re about to graduate. And colleges are closing at a rate of about one a week right now. It’s not always easy to know if a school is in financial distress—they probably won’t tell you as part of their marketing materials. But there are some signs to look for. If you’re accepting a good deal from a financially troubled college, even if it’s not a full ride, you’re taking a big risk. But that doesn’t necessarily mean you must always avoid the risk: a year or two of free college might be worth it even if you end up having to transfer elsewhere to finish college. But there’s no shame in turning down a full scholarship from a college that isn’t really able to afford it.

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Three quick questions with New Mexico State University

For Three Quick Questions, I send the same three questions to admission representatives at colleges all over the country, and then I hope to hear back from them. The three questions are meant to probe some of the things that make a school unique but that aren’t easily captured as a stat to go in a book or web search.

Today’s response is from David Cota, Senior Admissions Advisor at New Mexico State University in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

What is a course, tradition, program or event that is unique to New Mexico State University?

We are New Mexico’s land-grant institution and a comprehensive research university dedicated to teaching, research public service and outreach at all levels. NMSU is a welcoming community of talented faculty, staff and students who are working together to make a difference. We are a NASA Space Grant College, a Hispanic-serving institution (HSI), a minority-serving institution (MSI) and home to the first Honors College in New Mexico. We offer an accessible education that shapes bright futures.

 

One of my favorite unique traditions at New Mexico State University is the "Noche de Luminarias". During the holiday season, the university's International Mall is adorned with luminarias, traditional New Mexican paper lanterns filled with candles. The soft glow of these luminarias creates a beautiful and serene atmosphere, bringing together students, faculty, and the local community to celebrate the festive season in a memorable way.

Naturally every college wants to recruit the perfect student--high grades, high test scores, involved in their community, leadership...everything. But what kinds of imperfect students tend to flourish at NM State?

NMSU values hard work and determination, qualities that are often more important than perfect grades or test scores. Students who are willing to put in the effort to succeed, both inside and outside the classroom, are likely to flourish here. NMSU welcomes a diverse student population, including non-traditional students such as adult learners, veterans, and students with work or family commitments. Many students at NMSU are also the first in their families to attend college. These students often exhibit a strong drive to succeed and overcome obstacles, fueled by their desire to create a better future for themselves and their families. NMSU is committed to serving its local community and providing educational opportunities to students from underserved backgrounds. Students who come from economically disadvantaged or underrepresented minority backgrounds often find a supportive environment at NMSU, where they can thrive academically and personally. The university provides support services tailored to the needs of these students, allowing them to excel despite their non-traditional paths.

When people come to visit Las Cruces, what's a place off campus that you recommend they check out while they're there?

One off-campus destination I would recommend for visitors to check out while in Las Cruces is the Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument. Located just a short drive from the NMSU campus, this stunning natural area offers breathtaking views, hiking trails for all skill levels, rock climbing opportunities, and opportunities for wildlife viewing and photography. Visitors can explore iconic features such as the Organ Mountains, which rise sharply from the desert floor, and enjoy outdoor activities such as picnicking, birdwatching, and stargazing. The monument is also home to archaeological sites and petroglyphs, providing insight into the region's rich cultural history. Whether visitors are nature enthusiasts, outdoor adventurers, or simply looking to enjoy the beauty of the Southwest landscape, a trip to the Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks National Monument is a must-see while in Las Cruces.

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Three quick questions with Eastern Michigan University

For Three Quick Questions, I send the same three questions to admission representatives at colleges all over the country, and then I hope to hear back from them. The three questions are meant to probe some of the things that make a school unique but that aren’t easily captured as a stat to go in a book or web search.

Today’s response is from David Reyes, Admissions Advisor at Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti, Michigan.

What is a course, tradition, program or event that is unique to Eastern Michigan University?

In 1849, Eastern Michigan University opened its doors with one goal, enriching the life of future educators. Flash forward 175 years, and the College of Education is doing just that. As the foundation for our academic history, the College of Education is an extremely unique program on campus. As a trailblazer in the realm of special education and disabilities, EMU became the first institution in the world to create a department dedicated to teachers who work with disabled students. Today, we continue to strive for a dynamic and enriching curriculum that grants our students the ability to utilize their strengths and passions in and out of the classroom.

Naturally every college wants to recruit the perfect student--high grades, high test scores, involved in their community, leadership...everything. But what kinds of imperfect students tend to flourish at EMU?

At our core, Eastern Michigan University is a place of equity and access. Access to the tools and education with which our students forge their futures. Students looking for community and a path toward success are welcomed on these grounds. Here there are no imperfect students, only individuals seeking to better themselves.

When people come to visit Ypsilanti, what's a place off campus that you recommend they check out while they're there?

Whether you’re here for a tour or just passing by, we highly recommend a pit stop at the Depot Town and Downtown area. Serving as the epicenter of Ypsi, you can find everything from local shops and artists to food offerings from around the world. Not only that, but the Huron River cuts right through Ypsilanti, offering a stunning view for any nature lover. Frog Island and Riverside Park sit adjacent to the river bank and are great options for sporting events, afternoon walks, or a picnic with friends.

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